the first step is to acknowledge the problem

another "best of darbnet" moment, this time in (yet another) discussion of elections and such.

Al Petterson:

"But what's done is done. Illinois and Texas may have been stolen by Kennedy/Johnson's folks in 1960. I can't claim vote fraud has never benefitted the side I like.

"What bugs me today isn't Florida 2000. It isn't Ohio 2004. What bugs me is that I cannot seem to find a single Republican -- among my acquaintances or among politicians -- who values fair elections enough to agree we should fix the obvious problems, or who even agrees that the obviously partisan, obviously incompetent, and corporate/privatized nature of how we handle our elections is a problem at all."